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#31
Doctor saying no because illicit? How else would you get a 60mg a day Diaz habit? No doctor would go above 15mg maybe 30 if extraordinaty circumstances. No way 60 Jose. Total kop-out. Problem with Diclaz are the pellet batches vary enormously. Powder from BRC if you are advanced would be the one i would go for but even with powder i think 6mg of Diclaz won't be enough. Have you seen prescribing consultant at local substance abuse. They are far more clued up than GPs and most if not all will initiate a taper. They will want a positive though ( urine) but no problem there. They get incandescent with rage if you backslide though, one chance only they give. If you take the piss they will initiate supervised consumption and its very emarrasing, open your mouth is mandatory so don't even think about holding in cheek piece.
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(14-04-2016, 10:06 PM)acetlyblue Wrote: Doctor saying no because illicit? How else would you get a 60mg a day Diaz habit? No doctor would go above 15mg maybe 30 if extraordinaty circumstances. No way 60 Jose. Total kop-out. Problem with Diclaz are the pellet batches vary enormously. Powder from BRC if you are advanced would be the one i would go for but even with powder i think 6mg of Diclaz won't be enough. Have you seen prescribing consultant at local substance abuse. They are far more clued up than GPs and most if not all will initiate a taper. They will want a positive though ( urine) but no problem there. They get incandescent with rage if you backslide though, one chance only they give. If you take the piss they will initiate supervised consumption and its very emarrasing, open your mouth is mandatory so don't even think about holding in cheek piece.
I've been passed from GP to drug agency and back several times.
Mental health referred me to Drug agency
Drug agency sent me back to GP saying they were not commissioned to do benzo tapers.
GP said that is what drug agencies are for, refused to prescribe me a controlled supervised taperr, and sent me back to drug agency asking them to write to her to tell them what she prescribes me, plus what I take illicitly.
I went back to drug agency on instruction of GP and asked if they would write her a letter as she requested. They neither said yes or no, and referred me back, again, to the GP who has written the drug agency a letter telling them what I am prescribed.
I contacted the drug agency last week to check they had got my GP letter and they had, but they were supposed to call me back and they never.
I rang them yesterday, the person I need to speak to was out, I was promised a call back but none came.
I rang them to day and they said I am not on their client list, even though my GP wrote to them, I gave them permission to phone both my GP and my mental health nurse to tell them what they plan to do, or not to do.
Our of frustration, I rang my GP myself and got to speak to a very nice duty doctor GP, who wanted to know what drugs I take illicitly. He agreeed to write to The drug agency again and request another assessment.
I also rang the mental health office to speak to my CPN but she was not there, and I spoke to a very nice duty nurse called David.
I told him that ever since I Was a teen, I abused alcohol, couldn't just drink at weekends, had to be any time of day I craved a drink,, luckily, even though I badly abused alcohol, I never got a physical addiction to it - fucking miracle, but I gave alcohol up two weeks ago.
The reason being, I have got some un-identified mental health problem, where frustration makes me lose it and I end up hurting myself, breaking my stuff, smashing the place up etc, and the last straw was when I bit the cheek of a poor man who was only trying to restrain me when I was trying to hurt myself.
He could have reported me to the police for assaault, but luckily, he had experienced self harm and mental health and understood and I thanked him gratefully, but decided that alcohol has caused me too many problems, so I managed to f*ck it off two weeks ago.
I'm taking the valium which, as well as keeping withdrwals at bay, has stopped me craving alcohol, a first since I Was a teen.
I used to be a speed addict, but speed makes me get very bad water retention in my legs so bad that walking is difficult so I had to f*ck that off as well.
At the moment, I take my mainttenance dose of 60mg valium illegally, and if my mood is too bad to get out of bed, 2 or 3 times a week I take opiates, like codeine or DHC. I tried oxy but liked it so much it scared the absulute shit out of me, so I darent touch it again, not that I can get hold of it, which is a good thing.
Point being, I have had substance misuse problems since a teen, starting with booze, and now drugs.
I haven't been on 60mg valium that long, about 5 days.
I was taking about 12 of the 7.5mg zopiclones and if I could not get them, about 6 lorazepam, and this went on for about a year or more, but I know that valium is easier to get off.
I managed to get some boxes of diazepam, but the person who I got them from stopped selling this week.
Also, when I did the crossover from zopiclone to valium I got withdrawals, as I did it in one go, so I tried doing it over a month and still got withdrawals.
It turns out, I was taking 30mg a day of valium for a few weeks, and I should have been taking 60mg, becauase one of the 7.5mg zopiclones = 5mg valium, so twelve of them = 60mg.
I worked my way up, first 35mg, then 45mg, then 50mg then 55mg, but wd's were stilll there till I got to 60mg. I still have IBS but none of the other horrors I was getting like cramps, insomnia, nausea, throwing up, etc etc
I think I need to steady on 60mg for another week and then I plan to start a diaz taper, but I don't have enough.
I'm using 6 blues a day, I don't want to use more, but luckily, tolerance for diaz does not build up for me, it did for the zoppy, so I have to take the equivalent in diaz to taper off.
I want to microtaper using liquid, it's quicker, smoother and you get to 0mg wth less withdrawals, but if the underlying cause of why I keep getting addicted to drugs and relapsing, or relapsing on alcohol is not addressed, how am I supposed to keep off them, esp alcohol, whicih is the hardest of all, as it's legal.
If nothing is done to address the underlying cause of my addictoin, I can see myself dying of alcohol poisoning eventually, cos I don't want to keep scoring illegal drugs, no health provider or drug agency is prepared to address the underlying cause and get rid of why I cannot get through the day without drugs or alcohol.
I think it is the dopamine reward that keeps me relapsing on alcohol.
As I am on benzos now and trying to get off, I won't drink till all benzo has left my system after a proper taper, as I know, from experience that alcohol makes benzo withdrawals ten times worse, that is the only thing keeping me off alcohol, otherwise I would have a few bottles of cider here.
At my worst, I Was drinking 6 litres of cider a day or thre litres of wine.
I just want the underlying cause of my addictions sorting out, so that I can live a drink and drug free enjoyable fun and loving life, but right now, I cannot see that happening.
MH&drug services working  2 decide way frwrd. New Borderline Personality Diagnosis. They can only script a limited amount and told me to stay safe in the meantime. Sold my diclaz cos too nervous to hav so many in flat, just a months supply, and buy each mth.
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#33
Drug 'recovery' services have been cut to the bone. I suspect but its only a theory that the agency responsible for delivering 'positive outcomes' have only been contracted to do so for people addicted to either Opioids and Alcohol. Im my area the loathsome Addaction are paid by results. If i were a director of Addaction i would do all in my power to withdraw 'treatment' from anybody not making sufficient progress to warrant a payment and if no payments for Benzo tapers were on offer then there would be no tapers. Its a disgraceful way to run drug treatment services and the sort of thing you expect in the home of the free. The UK was once lauded for providing Heroin on prescription for addicts who had gone through every treatment option and failed. Those days are long gone even though the previously chaotic lifestyles the addicts once lived improved massively once they knew their daily fix was assured, because it was running around for or fundraising ( legal or otherwise ) for the drug that created the chaos. That approach was scuppered by the enticing prospect of doing it on the cheap with Methadone. Methadone only addresses the physical craving and in my book is only worthwhile for prescription to commited individuals ready and able to taper, maybe not even then as withdrawals although slightly less intense outlast Heroin and Morphine ( same thing really as H is converted to Morphine as near to instantly as is possible ) by up to ten times, Subutex is the better option after a initial Methadone taper because its only effective once a lowish dose is reached plus its action as a partial agonist/antagonist means very high doses of illicits are needed to achieve desirable ( for the patient) effects, so once the daily Subutex dose is taken its pointless consuming Heroin. Its very likely underlying issues that led to the addiction in the first place, need to be addressed before any progress can be made. Swapping Alcohol for benzos is not progress unless its for a very short period whilst the worst of any Alcohol withdrawals pass, any longer is swapping one addiction for another. It can be argued benzos in clinical doses are not as damaging to the body as Alcohol but obtaining them via the black market will most likely lead to short periods when they are unobtainable and Alcohol substitution occurring. If cutbacks continue there might well come a point where no substance abuse treatment not paid for is an extremely possible scenario. It will be justified as safeguarding services that are for illnesses not self-inflicted but many if not all substance abuseproblems have underlying causes of a mental health nature but that is how it will be sold. Persevere bloomjim, see if there is an advocacy service near to you. The mere fact someone else has involved themselves may open doors for you but its a sad fact and increasingly common to be passed from pillar to post by various agencies.
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#34
(16-04-2016, 06:21 PM)acetlyblue Wrote: Drug 'recovery' services have been cut to the bone. I suspect but its only a theory that the agency responsible for delivering 'positive outcomes' have only been contracted to do so for people addicted to either Opioids and Alcohol. Im my area the loathsome Addaction are paid by results. If i were a director of Addaction i would do all in my power to withdraw 'treatment' from anybody not making sufficient progress to warrant a payment and if no payments for Benzo tapers were on offer then there would be no tapers. Its a disgraceful way to run drug treatment services and the sort of thing you expect in the home of the free. The UK was once lauded for providing Heroin on prescription for addicts who had gone through every treatment option and failed. Those days are long gone even though the previously chaotic lifestyles the addicts once lived improved massively once they knew their daily fix was assured, because it was running around for or fundraising ( legal or otherwise ) for the drug that created the chaos. That approach was scuppered by the enticing prospect of doing it on the cheap with Methadone. Methadone only addresses the physical craving and in my book is only worthwhile for prescription to commited individuals ready and able to taper, maybe not even then as withdrawals although slightly less intense outlast Heroin and Morphine ( same thing really as H is converted to Morphine as near to instantly as is possible ) by up to ten times, Subutex is the better option after a initial Methadone taper because its only effective once a lowish dose is reached plus its action as a partial agonist/antagonist means very high doses of illicits are needed to achieve desirable ( for the patient) effects, so once the daily Subutex dose is taken its pointless consuming Heroin. Its very likely underlying issues that led to the addiction in the first place, need to be addressed before any progress can be made. Swapping Alcohol for benzos is not progress unless its for a very short period whilst the worst of any Alcohol withdrawals pass, any longer is swapping one addiction for another. It can be argued benzos in clinical doses are not as damaging to the body as Alcohol but obtaining them via the black market will most likely lead to short periods when they are unobtainable and Alcohol substitution occurring. If cutbacks continue there might well come a point where no substance abuse treatment not paid for is an extremely possible scenario. It will be justified as safeguarding services that are for illnesses not self-inflicted but many if not all substance abuseproblems have underlying causes of a mental health nature but that is how it will be sold. Persevere bloomjim, see if there is an advocacy service near to you. The mere fact someone else has involved themselves may open doors for you but its a sad fact and increasingly common to be passed from pillar to post by various agencies.

Hi Acetylblue

What country do you come from?
If someone on a 60mg a day habit is given 15mg they will just get sicker with WD and it will take them longer to recover.
I thought drug agencies were our helpers and friends, not our adversaries.
In your country drug services seem punitive.
Drug addiction is a disease, its like punishing a patient for showing a symptom of a disease.
My moods are so low, when I dont take drugs that I get suicidal. I actually started making suicie plans last year.
I am strugglin to get access to a specialist drug abuse doctor who might prescribe me the 60mg I need, I keep getting fobbed off.
I've only been on 60mg a week, was taking 12 x 7.5mg zops for months, but was taking 30mg and wondering why I felt awful.
I think I will give the valilum another week to take full effect, then I will begin a taper on my own, and god knows what I will do about supply, I dont move in drug circles.

Money should not govern whether people with drug sicknesss are given safe tapers or not, welfare should come before money. Drug addicts should not be punished, all they are doing is expressing thier pain in the only way they know how, that or suicide.

thi self inflicted bollocks is an outdated idea that needs consigning to the history books. Drug addiction is a sickness, a symptom of a much deeper problem that never gets addressed. For instance, the addiction expert dr Gabor Mate found that all his injecting patients had been badly abused as children and were injecting not to get high, but to get through the day. Blimey we aer still  stuck in the dark ages, no wonder I was planning suicide last year. I even had two half hearted attempts. I hope I am not driven to it as cuts deepen, and attitudes towards the vulnerable and sick get even more twisted than they are now.
Drug addicts are scapegoats, you are right, when scripts were more available, I saw a few more smackheads get their shit together, get a flat and get a life.
MH&drug services working  2 decide way frwrd. New Borderline Personality Diagnosis. They can only script a limited amount and told me to stay safe in the meantime. Sold my diclaz cos too nervous to hav so many in flat, just a months supply, and buy each mth.
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#35
In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.
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(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.
MH&drug services working  2 decide way frwrd. New Borderline Personality Diagnosis. They can only script a limited amount and told me to stay safe in the meantime. Sold my diclaz cos too nervous to hav so many in flat, just a months supply, and buy each mth.
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(17-04-2016, 08:44 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.

Well. ChemicalWire, BRC and Reseach Chemicals Sales Diclazepam 2 mg do a whole lot. I know one person who uses clonazepam daily (I think 0.5 mg) and 2 mg diclaz. surely affected him. He got in a roadaccident and he had a lot of muscle aches. Got diazepam from the doc and liked it. He noted diclazepam was very similar to diazepam

Since this is what most people note, since there seems to be no help for you either from the NHS buying 2mg diclaz of one of these vendors might be a very smart way to taper you habbit.

I once got 1 mg diclaz btw which could be halved but I wasn't the only one to note zero. 2 mg of this stuff puts me to a solid sleep btw.....Which is why I use it. So I would go for the 2 mg pellets.
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(18-04-2016, 10:57 AM)J.S. Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 08:44 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.

Well. ChemicalWire, BRC and Reseach Chemicals Sales Diclazepam 2 mg do a whole lot. I know one person who uses clonazepam daily (I think 0.5 mg) and 2 mg diclaz. surely affected him. He got in a roadaccident and he had a lot of muscle aches. Got diazepam from the doc and liked it. He noted diclazepam was very similar to diazepam

Since this is what most people note, since there seems to be no help for you either from the NHS buying 2mg diclaz of one of these vendors might be a very smart way to taper you habbit.

I once got 1 mg diclaz btw which could be halved but I wasn't the only one to note zero. 2 mg of this stuff puts me to a solid sleep btw.....Which is why I use it. So I would go for the 2 mg pellets.

It's a happy ending for me hopefully, im gonna be able to get enough diaz to taper, but not off doc. I did some maths today and worked out how much id need based on what daily cut rate i was comfy at when I last tapered valium.
The low doses, the ones I dreaded most, was the easiest I sailed of them.
This is cos I milk microtapered and cut daily, graphing the taper to look like a nice curve rather than a jagged line.
I have been taking the valiums a while now and trust that thay are valium, they all feel the same, I need another week on the current dose then hopefully, my remaining symptoms will be tapered away as i begin my microtaper cutting at 0.2mg per day to start with, and if that gets a bit sore, I'll reduce the cut, or if I feel ok, I will nudge it up a tiny bit, and I will find my sweet spot, but must do test cuts to find that sweet spot.
I have seen loads of people taper off benzos this way, started with symptoms from jagged tapers and erratic use, dailly microtapered their symptoms away, and arrived at 0mg feeling dandy.
I haven't been addicted that long, a month or two, first noticed symptoms, but blamed pregab. I get telltale headache if I dont take enough pregab, knocking 2mg a day off that doing well. 600mg a day down to 290mg.
Anyway,  I will shut up now. :)

(18-04-2016, 10:57 AM)J.S. Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 08:44 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.

Well. ChemicalWire, BRC and Reseach Chemicals Sales Diclazepam 2 mg do a whole lot. I know one person who uses clonazepam daily (I think 0.5 mg) and 2 mg diclaz. surely affected him. He got in a roadaccident and he had a lot of muscle aches. Got diazepam from the doc and liked it. He noted diclazepam was very similar to diazepam

Since this is what most people note, since there seems to be no help for you either from the NHS buying 2mg diclaz of one of these vendors might be a very smart way to taper you habbit.

I once got 1 mg diclaz btw which could be halved but I wasn't the only one to note zero. 2 mg of this stuff puts me to a solid sleep btw.....Which is why I use it. So I would go for the 2 mg pellets.
Hi

I;ve got my diaz to taper from, so gonna stick to that.
Gonna pop the pills in a jar of milk next week, and begin by taking out bits as described in above post.
Hopefullly, in a week or so, maybe ten days, I will feel a lot better than I do now.
I take codeine a few times a week, so I get releif from the terrible dark depression, despair and hopelessnesss.
I know its not the answer, but it gets me days off the hard work of depression where nothing interests you all you can do  is think the worst of everything.
Hopefully, I wont take it as often, I won;t feel the need to take it as often, as microtapering often takes away symptoms pretty fast, so long as you start on sufficient dose to cover your most severe symptoms, you need to start stable but not `100 per cent well.
MH&drug services working  2 decide way frwrd. New Borderline Personality Diagnosis. They can only script a limited amount and told me to stay safe in the meantime. Sold my diclaz cos too nervous to hav so many in flat, just a months supply, and buy each mth.
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(18-04-2016, 10:11 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(18-04-2016, 10:57 AM)J.S. Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 08:44 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.

Well. ChemicalWire, BRC and Reseach Chemicals Sales Diclazepam 2 mg do a whole lot. I know one person who uses clonazepam daily (I think 0.5 mg) and 2 mg diclaz. surely affected him. He got in a roadaccident and he had a lot of muscle aches. Got diazepam from the doc and liked it. He noted diclazepam was very similar to diazepam

Since this is what most people note, since there seems to be no help for you either from the NHS buying 2mg diclaz of one of these vendors might be a very smart way to taper you habbit.

I once got 1 mg diclaz btw which could be halved but I wasn't the only one to note zero. 2 mg of this stuff puts me to a solid sleep btw.....Which is why I use it. So I would go for the 2 mg pellets.

It's a happy ending for me hopefully, im gonna be able to get enough diaz to taper, but not off doc. I did some maths today and worked out how much id need based on what daily cut rate i was comfy at when I last tapered valium.
The low doses, the ones I dreaded most, was the easiest I sailed of them.
This is cos I milk microtapered and cut daily, graphing the taper to look like a nice curve rather than a jagged line.
I have been taking the valiums a while now and trust that thay are valium, they all feel the same, I need another week on the current dose then hopefully, my remaining symptoms will be tapered away as i begin my microtaper cutting at 0.2mg per day to start with, and if that gets a bit sore, I'll reduce the cut, or if I feel ok, I will nudge it up a tiny bit, and I will find my sweet spot, but must do test cuts to find that sweet spot.
I have seen loads of people taper off benzos this way, started with symptoms from jagged tapers and erratic use, dailly microtapered their symptoms away, and arrived at 0mg feeling dandy.
I haven't been addicted that long, a month or two, first noticed symptoms, but blamed pregab. I get telltale headache if I dont take enough pregab, knocking 2mg a day off that doing well. 600mg a day down to 290mg.
Anyway,  I will shut up now. :)

(18-04-2016, 10:57 AM)J.S. Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 08:44 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.

Well. ChemicalWire, BRC and Reseach Chemicals Sales Diclazepam 2 mg do a whole lot. I know one person who uses clonazepam daily (I think 0.5 mg) and 2 mg diclaz. surely affected him. He got in a roadaccident and he had a lot of muscle aches. Got diazepam from the doc and liked it. He noted diclazepam was very similar to diazepam

Since this is what most people note, since there seems to be no help for you either from the NHS buying 2mg diclaz of one of these vendors might be a very smart way to taper you habbit.

I once got 1 mg diclaz btw which could be halved but I wasn't the only one to note zero. 2 mg of this stuff puts me to a solid sleep btw.....Which is why I use it. So I would go for the 2 mg pellets.
Hi

I;ve got my diaz to taper from, so gonna stick to that.
Gonna pop the pills in a jar of milk next week, and begin by taking out bits as described in above post.
Hopefullly, in a week or so, maybe ten days, I will feel a lot better than I do now.
I take codeine a few times a week, so I get releif from the terrible dark depression, despair and hopelessnesss.
I know its not the answer, but it gets me days off the hard work of depression where nothing interests you all you can do  is think the worst of everything.
Hopefully, I wont take it as often, I won;t feel the need to take it as often, as microtapering often takes away symptoms pretty fast, so long as you start on sufficient dose to cover your most severe symptoms, you need to start stable but not `100 per cent well.

Gee......that sounds bad! I understand your reasoning and wish you strength and good luck!
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(18-04-2016, 10:25 PM)J.S. Wrote:
(18-04-2016, 10:11 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(18-04-2016, 10:57 AM)J.S. Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 08:44 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.

Well. ChemicalWire, BRC and Reseach Chemicals Sales Diclazepam 2 mg do a whole lot. I know one person who uses clonazepam daily (I think 0.5 mg) and 2 mg diclaz. surely affected him. He got in a roadaccident and he had a lot of muscle aches. Got diazepam from the doc and liked it. He noted diclazepam was very similar to diazepam

Since this is what most people note, since there seems to be no help for you either from the NHS buying 2mg diclaz of one of these vendors might be a very smart way to taper you habbit.

I once got 1 mg diclaz btw which could be halved but I wasn't the only one to note zero. 2 mg of this stuff puts me to a solid sleep btw.....Which is why I use it. So I would go for the 2 mg pellets.

It's a happy ending for me hopefully, im gonna be able to get enough diaz to taper, but not off doc. I did some maths today and worked out how much id need based on what daily cut rate i was comfy at when I last tapered valium.
The low doses, the ones I dreaded most, was the easiest I sailed of them.
This is cos I milk microtapered and cut daily, graphing the taper to look like a nice curve rather than a jagged line.
I have been taking the valiums a while now and trust that thay are valium, they all feel the same, I need another week on the current dose then hopefully, my remaining symptoms will be tapered away as i begin my microtaper cutting at 0.2mg per day to start with, and if that gets a bit sore, I'll reduce the cut, or if I feel ok, I will nudge it up a tiny bit, and I will find my sweet spot, but must do test cuts to find that sweet spot.
I have seen loads of people taper off benzos this way, started with symptoms from jagged tapers and erratic use, dailly microtapered their symptoms away, and arrived at 0mg feeling dandy.
I haven't been addicted that long, a month or two, first noticed symptoms, but blamed pregab. I get telltale headache if I dont take enough pregab, knocking 2mg a day off that doing well. 600mg a day down to 290mg.
Anyway,  I will shut up now. :)

(18-04-2016, 10:57 AM)J.S. Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 08:44 PM)bloomjim Wrote:
(17-04-2016, 02:07 AM)acetlyblue Wrote: In your case a Diclazepam taper is the only way you would be able to move forward. But have you addressed the underlying cause? I think you will find it easier to get treatment for that sanctioned. Once progress has been made there then maybe start a Diclazepam taper but remember although the ban has been delayed it will be here for high Summer i think. Plan ahead: 0.5mg is the lowest accurate dose achievable by pellet ( half a 1mg) so maybe powder is the one to go for then make batches of it dissolved in food grade Propylene Glycol from Ebay. Not sure who sells the pure powder outside their advanced sections, CW and BRC limit to that section but i'm sure if you ask someone will point you in the right direction. The Mods and i myself advise a medical Diazepam taper but it seems you have tried that. Do give the advocacy thing a think, Mango who was aMod on here put me on to them and they helped me when i was bogged down in red tape. Just Google your home town and see if they have an advocacy service near you. If not or that goets you nowhere then sometimes you need to take matters into your owh hands. I am based in England but there might be a similar service if you reside outside the UK. Alot of countries whilst acknowledging that benzos can be a problem do not consider them quite as bad as the UK does and in fact the UK has gone OTT over them. They can be a very handy temporary or occasional tool, obviously if consumed daily for long periods and sometimes not so long to susceptible people they cause more problems than they solve but many countries aren't quite up to offering official tapers yet. If you do decide to use the advocacy route then tackle the taper later bear in mind that there will likely be no Diclazepam powder on sale in the UK then so buy some now if you think it may be needed later. Good luck i hope it all works out for you.

Hi AB
Thanks for your reply
What makes you think that the ban will be here in the high summmer?
Maybe they have realised how stupid it is to stop all research on these chems, so maybe there will be no ban.
The NHS will not help me find the underlying cause of my addiction problems, I just get more and more depressed as each day goes by, I was even considering suicide last year, but abandoned that after the doctor said the pills I had would not kill me.

My friend and I were talking ofline, last night and he said that diclazepam do nothing, he said he took a load and they did nothing.

I've got a supply of diaz but not enough to do a proper taper so I will need more, and I know its more expense and russian roulette as sellers could be selling anything, but I dont have any choice as I dont have advanced status with any of the research chem retailers.
I don't know if BAT do advocacy anymore they used to but I am not in their area. They have phone help for the whole of the UK but there must be loads of people addicted to these research chems, so, to suddenly ban them could be dangerous, life threatening for many people.

Well. ChemicalWire, BRC and Reseach Chemicals Sales Diclazepam 2 mg do a whole lot. I know one person who uses clonazepam daily (I think 0.5 mg) and 2 mg diclaz. surely affected him. He got in a roadaccident and he had a lot of muscle aches. Got diazepam from the doc and liked it. He noted diclazepam was very similar to diazepam

Since this is what most people note, since there seems to be no help for you either from the NHS buying 2mg diclaz of one of these vendors might be a very smart way to taper you habbit.

I once got 1 mg diclaz btw which could be halved but I wasn't the only one to note zero. 2 mg of this stuff puts me to a solid sleep btw.....Which is why I use it. So I would go for the 2 mg pellets.
Hi

I;ve got my diaz to taper from, so gonna stick to that.
Gonna pop the pills in a jar of milk next week, and begin by taking out bits as described in above post.
Hopefullly, in a week or so, maybe ten days, I will feel a lot better than I do now.
I take codeine a few times a week, so I get releif from the terrible dark depression, despair and hopelessnesss.
I know its not the answer, but it gets me days off the hard work of depression where nothing interests you all you can do  is think the worst of everything.
Hopefully, I wont take it as often, I won;t feel the need to take it as often, as microtapering often takes away symptoms pretty fast, so long as you start on sufficient dose to cover your most severe symptoms, you need to start stable but not `100 per cent well.

Gee......that sounds bad! I understand your reasoning and wish you strength and good luck!

Does anyone know if I can switch of the facility on here that quotes every message in my replies?
I like to be given the choice whether to quote and its hard for readers to wade through loads of quoted messages repeating themlelves down the thread.
Anway, I am lucky, I have a good feeling that it wont be nealy as bad as I fear.
The benzo forumss I joined when i first had benzo addiction scared the hell out of me but I got about 2 of the symptoms on the massive list of possible benzo withdrawawls
I knwo the circs are different now, but hopefullly the ending will be happy.
Pregabalin is a fierce drug, ,cant wait to be off that, pregab withdrawal is the reason I can take 60mg valium a day and still be whirrling round nerovous wreck, not relaxed at all.
MH&drug services working  2 decide way frwrd. New Borderline Personality Diagnosis. They can only script a limited amount and told me to stay safe in the meantime. Sold my diclaz cos too nervous to hav so many in flat, just a months supply, and buy each mth.
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