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How Are People Coping?
#21
(10-08-2016, 10:24 AM)SteveBrule44 Wrote: I wasn't aware of what I'd been doing to my physical and mental health until I stopped doing it. I would say that as the weeks went by things slowly got better. On an hour to hour or day to day basis this wasn't noticeable, all I was aware of was feeling shit, but looking as the weeks go by I realise I'm beginning to feel my old self again. Not all the way there, and still with down days, but noticeably better. Maybe 1% better a day is a good marker- not enough to necessarily notice but progress nonetheless.

Anyway my advice for those who want to be clean and are suffering is to try and have a bit of optimism that it can and will get better, and also to be realistic that it'll take some time. There will be knock backs so try and be prepared and not lose heart.

And don't try and use alcohol to replace kratom or other RC's unless you can control it, I'm convinced that shit's one of the dirtiest drugs out there.

This is spot on for me too! 
They say addictions sneak up on you but looking back the lifestyle killed my soul. 
Feels good to be getting better.
Hood Hippy word
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#22
I am so pleased to hear this guys
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#23
Let me fix that for you.

(19-08-2016, 12:52 AM)0smium Wrote: In my own experience if your're from the "Whie-British Working Class" ethnic and social class group you are fucked by this country, with little too no support available. The Labour Party
(now known as the Champange Socalist Party) in the past banked on your vote as a given.  The Tories knew this scoial group would never vote for the silver spoon toffs. This resulting in fewer and fewer polices, resources and funding being channels to help this social group.

Thatcher destroyed traditional working class communities, which were often fiercely aspirational about the kind of lives their children would lead. And Labour's vision of the businessman and entrepreneur as the saviour of society, leading us all down that third way to - where exactly? - kept the message clear. And by 2009, 25 years after what was essentially a war on people who had made the mistake of working in an industry that was suddenly of no relevance to the aims of the elites, a generation had grown up knowing that they were the enemy, to be blamed and ridiculed and ASBOd.

The people who did that don't care about your race, or what class you think you are. They're happy when you isolate yourself from people who share your predicament. Money didn't get spent on anyone, it's just that some people have the advantage to come from communities where aspiration and hope haven't been systematically undermined for the last thirty years.
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#24
I ain't taking benzos no more... but I ain't taking no less.
Who the fuck is Psychoactive Substances Bill and why is he taking all my drugs?
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#25
If u can control useage that is good. I love getting high i just can't control it, and can't screw with my mind anymore without it i am useless to other people and my own ambitions. In rehab i felt like i was 90.

Just for anyone don't let it sneak up on u. As getting help is a horror show. I thought phoning someone saying i need help would have me sorted-I was wrong-i phoned and phoned and phoned. i couldn't even get private. I,m healing though. But i want to keep my options open.

To anyone who is looking help do not give up. I have dealt with very insensitive drs, but yesterday and today i was shocked i spoke to three doctors who prescribed me meds that i needed Not only that they offered me advice and also told me to keep trying. They talked to me like a human being and not a drug seeker. My discharge letter, from rehab last January, i haven't read it but i am convinced they labeled me as a hypochondriac and drug seeker this is now on my medical record.

Just keep trying, keep all options open,and be proud of yourself for getting yourself clean if you managed it with or without support. You will be a stronger person when you enter life again. Life isn't hard, drugs make it hard.

I think anyone going to a doctor or a so called addiction specialist asking for help should be congratulated and encouraged for being there i am waffling. But most times I've left feeling worse. Just keep ytying and be vigilant. Don't give up and be strong even when at times your mental state can deter you. Just remember how good you once where.
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#26
(19-08-2016, 05:44 PM)niflheim Wrote: Let me fix that for you.

(19-08-2016, 12:52 AM)0smium Wrote: In my own experience if your're from the "Whie-British Working Class" ethnic and social class group you are fucked by this country, with little too no support available. The Labour Party
(now known as the Champange Socalist Party) in the past banked on your vote as a given.  The Tories knew this scoial group would never vote for the silver spoon toffs. This resulting in fewer and fewer polices, resources and funding being channels to help this social group.

Thatcher destroyed traditional working class communities, which were often fiercely aspirational about the kind of lives their children would lead. And Labour's vision of the businessman and entrepreneur as the saviour of society, leading us all down that third way to - where exactly? - kept the message clear. And by 2009, 25 years after what was essentially a war on people who had made the mistake of working in an industry that was suddenly of no relevance to the aims of the elites, a generation had grown up knowing that they were the enemy, to be blamed and ridiculed and ASBOd.

The people who did that don't care about your race, or what class you think you are. They're happy when you isolate yourself from people who share your predicament. Money didn't get spent on anyone, it's just that some people have the advantage to come from communities where aspiration and hope haven't been systematically undermined for the last thirty years.

This wasn't a personal attack against any other ethic or social classes, it was P.O.V. opinion, which I am perfectly allowed to give with out ridicule.

I'm certain other social and ethic groups feel hard done by from government policies over the decades.

Why are you acting like a buthurt Social Justice Warrior?
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#27
(21-08-2016, 07:36 AM)0smium Wrote:
(19-08-2016, 05:44 PM)niflheim Wrote: Let me fix that for you.

(19-08-2016, 12:52 AM)0smium Wrote: In my own experience if your're from the "Whie-British Working Class" ethnic and social class group you are fucked by this country, with little too no support available. The Labour Party
(now known as the Champange Socalist Party) in the past banked on your vote as a given.  The Tories knew this scoial group would never vote for the silver spoon toffs. This resulting in fewer and fewer polices, resources and funding being channels to help this social group.

Thatcher destroyed traditional working class communities, which were often fiercely aspirational about the kind of lives their children would lead. And Labour's vision of the businessman and entrepreneur as the saviour of society, leading us all down that third way to - where exactly? - kept the message clear. And by 2009, 25 years after what was essentially a war on people who had made the mistake of working in an industry that was suddenly of no relevance to the aims of the elites, a generation had grown up knowing that they were the enemy, to be blamed and ridiculed and ASBOd.

The people who did that don't care about your race, or what class you think you are. They're happy when you isolate yourself from people who share your predicament. Money didn't get spent on anyone, it's just that some people have the advantage to come from communities where aspiration and hope haven't been systematically undermined for the last thirty years.

This wasn't a personal attack against any other ethic or social classes, it was P.O.V. opinion, which I am perfectly allowed to give with out ridicule.

I'm certain other social and ethic groups feel hard done by from government policies over the decades.

Why are you acting like a buthurt Social Justice Warrior?

I wasn't ridiculing you. I was disagreeing and arguing that framing the issue as a white-British working-class thing is counterproductive. Yes, other social and ethnic groups feel hard done by, for exactly the same reasons, which is why allowing the divide and conquer tactics of the rich by defining yourself along narrow lines is ineffective.
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#28
I just wanted to throw my two penneth in about how people are coping,any comments would be very welcome.Here goes

I am a disabled woman who is in constant pain with neurological problems.In 2013 I was hounding my GP for copious amounts of codeine and dihydrocodeine,which somehow he gave me.Then I discovered ethylphenidate.
Gone was my pain,I was enthusiastic about things again,I became creative again,stopped drinking alcohol for the first time in years,I felt positive about life,hell I even felt happy!Then my world crumbled.My beloved EPH was banned.

So I went and found an alternative.MPH.Ditto ban.Then 3fpm...life was fucking amazing again.I actually stopped codeine 100%.All of this was done in secret from my family (I don't do friends anymore) they just thought I was coming to terms with my disabilities.

Then you know what happened.

I tapered what little I managed to get pre ban,ran out.The black clouds that had cleared when I discovered EPH etc where back.All I wanted to do was nothing.I re gained all the weight I lost (I needed to lose weight,and was still at a very acceptable weight,just happier with my weight,it means a lot tot a woman to get back in a size 12 again when I'd teetered on a size 20!) I began abusing codeine again,but my GP had left and this one is VERY strict.I don't do anything creative any more,I feel like whats the fucking point of living this shitty,pain filled life.

So desperation leads me to try anything I can.Bearing in mind all this is done without a soul in my house knowing what I do,I order post ban sythacain and kid myself it works.I try nootropics,binaural beats,diet pills.All I do is waste money looking for that feeling of being alive again.Obviously I cannot get street drugs,I'd give my semi useless right arm for some decent speed but hey...

So there you go.My life post ban.I was happy.Self medicating made me happier than I had been in years.

I can't even talk to my GP about it,if my Husband ever found out.....well.Things tend to slip out with Doctors and I won't risk it.
I just wonder,will I ever be happy again.
I bring chaos to order...effortlessly lol
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#29
Hi sorry to hear all this  -  phenidates and stims aren’t really pain killing in anyway so wonder if some of the pain killing effect was more linked to enhansed mood? Much of what you describe sounds like depression. Stims are of course a double edged sword mood wise depending on dose. Without breaking the law it is  limited what you can do post PSB; I can advise that and I take it you have little inclination or limited means.
 Doctors will hand out ritalin but only if they are convinced you have various conditions otherwise ADs and other things are still likely although the success rate is pretty variable with them(I won’t claim them a raving success but they do help some and access isn’t an issue) - have you gone down this route at all. You don’t give doses or a full diagnosis of your problems; Pregabalin is used for various neurological pains and anxiety. Some find some AD-mood activity too - it can be very good indeed although there are contraindications (like any med) and there can be discontinuation syndrome. There are also non drug treatments. I don’t know how far you have gone down the medicine route (beyond minor opiates) but non drug means can compliment them anyhow since pain is in part about attention/perception. It really seems you should explore the situation more with your doctor with view to options. IF s/he is useless change doctor or if such is affordable and all else fails you could look at private such as others here have; it might only be modestly expensive from what I hear and so might be worth it if you are living with pain and wasting money on dubious or unproven products; the PSB isn’t likely to fail or be repealed any time soon so you need to be realistic and look at other options.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"
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#30
(04-11-2016, 06:56 PM)ihate201i6 Wrote: I just wanted to throw my two penneth in about how people are coping,any comments would be very welcome.Here goes

I am a disabled woman who is in constant pain with neurological problems.In 2013 I was hounding my GP for copious amounts of codeine and dihydrocodeine,which somehow he gave me.Then I discovered ethylphenidate.
Gone was my pain,I was enthusiastic about things again,I became creative again,stopped drinking alcohol for the first time in years,I felt positive about life,hell I even felt happy!Then my world crumbled.My beloved EPH was banned.

So I went and found an alternative.MPH.Ditto ban.Then 3fpm...life was fucking amazing again.I actually stopped codeine 100%.All of this was done in secret from my family (I don't do friends anymore) they just thought I was coming to terms with my disabilities.

Then you know what happened.

I tapered what little I managed to get pre ban,ran out.The black clouds that had cleared when I discovered EPH etc where back.All I wanted to do was nothing.I re gained all the weight I lost (I needed to lose weight,and was still at a very acceptable weight,just happier with my weight,it means a lot tot a woman to get back in a size 12 again when I'd teetered on a size 20!) I began abusing codeine again,but my GP had left and this one is VERY strict.I don't do anything creative any more,I feel like whats the fucking point of living this shitty,pain filled life.

So desperation leads me to try anything I can.Bearing in mind all this is done without a soul in my house knowing what I do,I order post ban sythacain and kid myself it works.I try nootropics,binaural beats,diet pills.All I do is waste money looking for that feeling of being alive again.Obviously I cannot get street drugs,I'd give my semi useless right arm for some decent speed but hey...

So there you go.My life post ban.I was happy.Self medicating made me happier than I had been in years.

I can't even talk to my GP about it,if my Husband ever found out.....well.Things tend to slip out with Doctors and I won't risk it.
I just wonder,will I ever be happy again.

Sorry for the blank post .
Assuming your pain is physical and also emotional due to your situation , CBD oil is available online legally (I think) for now.
Some reports of good pain relief , but check for any interactions with any other meds you may be on. Not psychoactive btw.

When I'm feeling down , emotionally , I find 5HTP seems to make things less bad after a few days , although not psychoactive either.
Again , beware of interactions , and have read particular reports of negative effects with alchohol , so would avoid.

Hope this is of some help , and I would avoid the temptation of post ban "miracle" substances . Vendors exploiting the post ban vulnerable , imo.
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