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F/pam Reduction and Diaz Equivalence
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Hello all. Well I've been using methadone and benzos for 35yrs and am trying to witdraw/taper from an 80 - 100mg per day Diazepam equivalent habit atm.

Recently I began taking 30mg f/pam daily plus melotonin to sleep and am surprised that I'm not suffering physical withdrawals. My mental state is a different matter.

If 4mg=6mg Diazepam 30mg F/lam = approx 45mg of Diazepam. I am amazed at how well they hold me and think I'd struggle much more on 45mg Diazepam daily. I hate them though. After an enjoyable first dose they seem to be worsening my depression and leave me tired and confused. As I can't take all 30mg in a.m. I spread doses out thru the day.

I've always understood mixing benzos doesn't lessen habit so why has it been so easy to reduce equivalent Diazepam habit with F/Pam? Since quiting Clonazolam I've been switching between Xanax, Etiz, Diazepam and Ativan and more recently Diclazepam and now F/Pam.

I would never advise anyone to half their benzo dose but RC equivalences make little sense due to lack of available info. Would a daily dose of f/pam accumulate in my body and increase Diazepam equivalence even though both have long half-lives. I  find other benzos ineffective while I've got f/pam in my system. Is this due to cross tolerance or perhaps I'm not reducing Diazepam equivalence?

I've been told I will be 'permitted' a legit Diazepam script once I've reduced to 20-40mg equivalence which is why I've reduced so rapidly. I fully endorse the Ashton program but it's of limited use with RC equivalences.

I also suffer from borderline personality disorder and don't think I'll ever be totally benzo-free but do want a stable, legit prescription of 20mg Diazepam a day.

So, my question is whether f/pam/Diclaz can be used to reduce my 35yr Diazepam habit?


Thanks to all at ukchemicalresearch. Your forums are a godsend,


Thanks in advance,
Keith Lovett.
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#2
F'Pam hangs around for days. If you're taking them every day there would be quite an accumulation in your system I would imagine.
If you take 30mg a day of f'pam surely after a few days you would have WAY more than 30mg working for you. I've heard some feel anxiety reduction for 3 days from one dosage. Taking it every day could in theory increase your tolerance, maybe. I've not heard of anyone using it daily so maybe someone more clued up than me can offer an opinion, I'm no expert and can't give any medical advice obviously, so take this as a guess at best.
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#3
Half-life is 100 Hours and its active for 72 hours. Best used sparingly both Flubromazepam and Flubromazolam pile tolerance on and after a few days on either other benzos become ineffective. Although techically it should be a taper candidate i doubt it would work out, Diclazepam is better. There is no buzz and no compulsion to redose. Pyrazolam might be a candidate, if you can keep to one dose a day, Diclazepam's metabolites are active and potent and Delorazepam has a HL of around 100 hours, IMO its the best choice although a medically supervised Diazepam taper is preferable
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It also depends on the quality of the flupam as you say theres little research. Diclazepam for me doesn't help anxiety even at insane doses 6mg. I had flubpam before that was good. I don't know what the 10mg ones are like. I hope you get better pal, benzos are horrible and doctors just don't help unless u find a specialist. Good ones would accumulate but the ones i have don't last the next day at 20mg green ones. Makes me suspiciuos. Although i think RCs are safer than the ilegal sites selling fake dangerous meds, you know what i mean.
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(14-08-2016, 06:24 PM)Mr Green Plant Wrote: It also depends on the quality of the flupam as you say theres little research. Diclazepam for me doesn't help anxiety even at insane doses 6mg. I had flubpam before that was good. I don't know what the 10mg ones are like. I hope you get better pal, benzos are horrible and doctors just don't help unless u find a specialist. Good ones would accumulate but the ones i have don't last the next day at 20mg green ones. Makes me suspiciuos. Although i think RCs are safer than the ilegal sites selling fake dangerous meds, you know what i mean.

I've said this before in another thread, but telling a doctor you've become addicted to RC benzos will not help (to clarify, I'm talking about NHS doctors). It's essentially a red flag which indicates you lack self control; not saying you do, but that's how many will see it. Furthermore, when benzos were freely prescribed on the NHS, it led to many civil lawsuits for causing addiction, so doctors are naturally afraid of handing them out to people who they may deem irresponsible. The fact is that our public healthcare system is incredibly stringent when it comes to benzo tapering; the onus of weaning off them is almost entirely placed on the patient.
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