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Ephedra Sinica (Ma Huang)
#11
Had pure ephedrine tablets given to me sometime back - can’t remember the dose; generally found favorable if not super exciting when people tried them.
Also had a plant; we had a local medical herb nursary had all sort including this, salvia, syrian rue etc. Nice plant - can’t remember what happened to it but it would be curious to persue - it looks like it is something for an ethnobot garden that could conceivably produce working amount of active ingredient. Plants and seed available. Needs a sandy soil buy from vague research could grow here; several varieties for examplr at Cambridge uni botany garden: (E.distachya quoted at 3% ephedrine, E.gerardiana “stimulant” and used in chest ailments, the other or others unsure):

For botanists, Ephedra is of great interest, as the genus forms a linking group between conifers and flowering plants. This is reflected in the Garden, as the main planting of Ephedra, not far from the Fountain, is positioned to be surrounded by conifers in the Old Pinetum. The European shrubby horsetail,Ephedra distachya grows here, the common name again alluding to the similarity in the form of the stems with horsetails (Equisetum). It has been cultivated throughout southern and eastern Europe since the 16th century for medicinal purposes. 

Here can be found a range of species which, on first glance, might look similar but with closer observation, can be seen to differ in habit, stem and the form of the scale-like leaves. The leafless stems with scale-like leaves so typical of Ephedra are not unique to this group, but are also found in other plants such as Polygonum scoparium, which is planted in the same bed. Collectively, these are known as ‘switch-plants’. The reduction of leaves to small, scale-like structures dramatically reduces water loss, an adaptation found in many unrelated plants growing in arid land conditions. Photosynthesis (the conversion of carbon dioxode to sugars using the sun’s energy) usually takes place in the leaves but in switch-plants this is undertaken in the green stems. 

Ephedra produce small, cone-like reproductive structures followed by berry-like fruits, which are usually bright red or orange in colour. An ususual coloured form can be found in the collection, Ephedra americana var. andina, from Chile which bears white rather than the normal red berries. This is one of our oldest accessions at the Garden, dating from 1898, and so unusual is this colour form that it was highlighted in Curtis’s Botanical Magazine.

Perhaps the best and most spectacular specimen of Ephedra in the Garden can be found adjacent to the Limestone Rock Garden, along Henslow’s Walk. This specimen of Ephedra majorsubsp procera illustrates the typical spreading and suckering habit of the genus, and this plant now covers many square metres. Buried in the centre is a seat, a wonderful place to sit almost hidden from all those around. In late summer the plant is spectacular with red berries and the webs of spiders. 

In contrast, on the other side of the lake in the Asian section of the Limestone Rock Garden, can be found the dwarf shrub,Ephedra gerardiana, collected by Garden staff in the Pakistan Himalaya.
[Image: cache_AZrePAp_2974.jpeg]Fleshy, scarlet fruits develop on Ephedra major subsp. procera on the Limestone Rock Garden.
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The leaves are reduced and scale-like
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#12
Does anybody know if ephedra has  bad side effects milder or more intense than  the sort of stim consumed on here (hypertension, rapid heart rate, vasoconstriction)?

I've found a source of this plant and remember it was fun.. i am not young anymore though..
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(05-05-2016, 05:29 PM)niñito Wrote: Does anybody know if ephedra has  bad side effects milder or more intense than  the sort of stim consumed on here (hypertension, rapid heart rate, vasoconstriction)?

I've found a source of this plant and remember it was fun.. i am not young anymore though..

You won't get a rapid heart-rate from Ephedra but it will increase. I've never noticed hypertension or vasoconstriction on pure Ephedrine HCL so I doubt Ephedra will cause it to any great extent. However if you're buying ephedra for recreational purposes and not as like a pre-workout supplement I wouldn't bother with it if I were you, it's not recreational in the slightest.
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(05-05-2016, 06:55 PM)TheNeutralizer Wrote:
(05-05-2016, 05:29 PM)niñito Wrote: Does anybody know if ephedra has  bad side effects milder or more intense than  the sort of stim consumed on here (hypertension, rapid heart rate, vasoconstriction)?

I've found a source of this plant and remember it was fun.. i am not young anymore though..

You won't get a rapid heart-rate from Ephedra but it will increase. I've never noticed hypertension or vasoconstriction on pure Ephedrine HCL so I doubt Ephedra will cause it to any great extent. However if you're buying ephedra for recreational purposes and not as like a pre-workout supplement I wouldn't bother with it if I were you, it's not recreational in the slightest.

Ok, thanks a lot.
It is strange, I remember (10 years) ephedra being recreational, not like MDMA or amphetamines, still fun though..
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#15
There used to be a dark deliquescent powder extract available that tasted awful and turned to brown tar in the bag.
A pea-sized ball was quite a kick actually.
But it did produce what I can only call an uncomfortable consciousness of the heart's activity (not necessarily increased speed).
This led me to use only occasionally, but it was always affective.
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#16
Does this count as a psychoactive substance in the ban?

Quite a fan of using it to work out, but damn you really need to cycle it. Tolerance for me builds after about 3-4 weeks and then I take a few weeks off.

Takes a whole week to come back to baseline for me. Stimulants seem to tax my system quite a lot though, even caffeine.
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#17
Ephedrine Is reportedly a bit heavy on body load but with the removal of MPA etc is probably the most effective legally available. There is a US inhaler  that contains a quite potent stim but you have to soak the cottony stuff inside and the taste is reportedly vile but recreational use has been reported quite widely over there. Its available on Amazon.
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#18
Tried Sida Cordifolia(Bala) and 3G provided a pleasant functional stimulation far beyond Caffeine can provide. 5-6G would be plenty stimulation for me. Handy if an early morning follows a late night. Is Ma Huang available and does it contain a higher percentage of Ephedrine/PseudoEphedrine same for Mormon tea?
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