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5 and 6 difference
#1
Hi, I haven't been able to find a clear description of the differences between these compounds. Assuming that you've had experiences with both separately, would anyone be able to comment on the differences in terms of:

-suitability for going out socialising, dancing, etc
-trippiness, stimulation, euphoria
-music appreciation
-losing inhibitions
-mongyness, paranoia, comedown
-jawgrinding, problems sleeping after, other after effects

I haven't given either a good trial yet, having tried twice, and both times it was 6-apb followed about an hour with some 5/6 apb combo. I enjoyed it, but it didn't give me a lot of push like I would have liked. I want something which is going to help me lose my inhibitions also.

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#2
I will do my best, although I have had 5-APB twice and it was very different on each occasion.

Most people report 5-APB to be a slightly cleaner, more stimulating and less visual version of 6-APB. However, my first experiment with ~100mg 5-apb resulted in nearly 8 hours of strongly euphoric, visually beautiful and not-particularly-stimulating fun.

More recently I dabbled with it again, and had an experience that closely matched what the majority of users report (difference in product or purity? maybe. I'm just trying to lay out the facts as well as possible). Further experimentation is probably warranted.

As far as the points you listed: I've had 6-apb in a club environment and found it suited perfectly to dancing and the like. Pupil dilation is a real concern if you care about people realising you're high though and in combination with alcohol (depending on your intake of 6-apb obviously) the comedown can get pretty fierce.

Other than that I'd just say this- get the HCL if you can. Somehow I find the positive effects more positive and the negative less pronounced than with the freebase.
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#3
I must be the only person going who gets no pupil dilation whatsoever. I drop 200mg of the stuff and apart from a bit of a flushed rosy glow you'd not know I was on anything.

I'd not noticed any vendors making a distinction between the HCl and freebase for 5-APB. Know 6-APB is HCl cos freebase is a liquid isn't it? What's the difference? Colour?

Steve, bit off-topic but if you want a bit more push for going out clubbing on 6-APB / MPA makes a good combo. Good dancing shoes material, music sounds excellent, nicely sociable, quite chilled and relaxed vibe to it. Works nicely. Not yet tried 5-APB cos my usual vendor doesn't carry it and didn't know which of the others were all that reliable. 5 / 6 combo def one for the future though.
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(13-09-2012, 05:59 PM)Sepher Wrote: I'd not noticed any vendors making a distinction between the HCl and freebase for 5-APB. Know 6-APB is HCl cos freebase is a liquid isn't it? What's the difference? Colour?

Well 5-APB freebase is certainly powder at room temperature, I'm sure 6-apb freebase was also on sale although it's possible my memory misleads me i suppose.

Anyway the latest 6-apb HCl synths are nearly white in colour as a pose to the brown/orange powder that was originally available.
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#5
Just a few comments on this. 5-apb I had maybe once or twice. Seemed to me to be a lighter version of 6-apb with similar effects - good music appreciation, nice euphoric glow, and quite chatty. 6-apb I have not had in a while, maybe 7-8 months but do plan to return to it at some point. I started taking this chem from its creation and can tell you that it certainly used to have that "push" you are looking for however this seemed to disapear within the first 3 months, so am of the certain opinion that the synth of this chem was changed to make it cheaper to produce, which seems to match with its availability becoming very widespread. 6-apb tolerance for me builds very quickly, but I have left breaks of several months between doses of this drug and yet never has that original push returned. If I were to pick 1 over the other it would be 6-apb, which also for me is trippier and a more intense experience than the 5-it I have come across. Maybe its time to revisit both of these chems and see if much has changed, however I did become sort of bored with the 6-apb buzz which is why it has been so long, I wouldnt be out on either of these chems as would find them too unpredictable, but then maybe its me thats unpredictable and not the chems !

As Sepher said above, the combo of these seems very good, but have only had in the pellet form, and I am sure that these contain something more than these 2 chems also - but for the moment im not complaining.
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#6
Hi Steve. Tried both at different times 6-apb as powder and as Benzo Fury pills. 5-apb as Benzo fury pills. 6-apb is definitely more trippy and I found I was having quite strong visuals off it after a few hours. Not strong like acid but standing in the garden late at night and watching the stars moving around was quite cool.Didn't get this from 5-apb, tookI think 4 pills in one night. It was a bit more stimulating. But actually I think weaker overall. Both quite good though but 6-apb comedown seemed heavier.
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#7
Thanks everyone for answering my questions. I might just give 6 another whirl, since it sounds like 5 is a bit redundant. I hadn't considered MPA before but will do now.
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#8
I think that 5apb is slightly mongier and more euphoric but they're still similar. Both give music appreciation and empathy but lack the dopamine push of mdma, for instance.
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(13-09-2012, 06:13 PM)SirBors Wrote:
(13-09-2012, 05:59 PM)Sepher Wrote: I'd not noticed any vendors making a distinction between the HCl and freebase for 5-APB. Know 6-APB is HCl cos freebase is a liquid isn't it? What's the difference? Colour?

Well 5-APB freebase is certainly powder at room temperature, I'm sure 6-apb freebase was also on sale although it's possible my memory misleads me i suppose.

Anyway the latest 6-apb HCl synths are nearly white in colour as a pose to the brown/orange powder that was originally available.

both 5-apb and 6-apb should be an oil at room temperature.
5-APB HCL is used now as opposed to the old succinate salt because there is more 5-apb 'per-mg'.

5-APB HCl = 211.688 g/mol
5-APB freebase = 175.23 g/mol
5-APB Succinate = 293.315 g/mol

This means that 5-APB HCl is 82.77% 5-apb and 5-APB Succinate (the old stuff) it would be 59.74% 5-apb.

100mg of 5-apb base = 100mg 5-APB
100mg of 5-APB HCL = 82.77mg 5-APB & 17.23mg HCL
100mg of 5-APB Succinate = 59.74mg 5-APB & 40.26mg Butanedioic acid
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#10
At some point last year (I think) BRC sent out samples of "5-APB freebase", which was a powder. Maybe it was incorrectly labelled HCL though. I believe some of our members had it.
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