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1P and reagent tests
#11
(20-05-2016, 06:20 PM)herpaderpa Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemica...lsd_users/

He's warning against Lizard Labs 1P-LSD he made a regent test and it came out inconclusive.. Might be his own reaction, idk.

This is the problem with people possessing a little bit of knowledge without really under standing the science behind it.....

Do people really think that 100mcg of compound is going to give a noticeable colour change in a reagent test..... come on people use some common sense
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#12
or just use youtube.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9QQJEOP4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJB_IZZYwWc

but me...I just used ehrlich like the bunk police and got blue on one blot and blue on a tiny little snip approx. one tenth of one blotter

on `other` 125mcg blots I have the test is much more pronounced purple because that`s a proper indole.

I guess you don't have much knowledge of raegents!

Party
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#13
(20-05-2016, 11:45 PM)Research Chemical Sales Wrote:
(20-05-2016, 06:20 PM)herpaderpa Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemica...lsd_users/

He's warning against Lizard Labs 1P-LSD he made a regent test and it came out inconclusive.. Might be his own reaction, idk.

This is the problem with people possessing a little bit of knowledge without really under standing the science behind it.....

Do people really think that 100mcg of compound is going to give a noticeable colour change in a reagent test..... come on people use some common sense

Apparently it can if you have the patience to notice. Slow reaction to light purple with the Ehrlich, example here from Reagent Tests UK and corroborated by BunkPolice. Discussion as to why 1P-LSD is slower to react than LSD over at Bluelight.

This is the problem with people possessing a little bit of knowledge...

Edit: on a positive note, you've reminded me that I really ought to have a test kit, that the first of the above outfits is the brainchild of a former UKCR staffer and offers a UKCR discount, too. Long overdue I think, the more so in light of the upcoming ban. So, something good comes out of it. Perhaps you ought to buy one, too!
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#14
And what chemicals do you think make paper is made from? air...., Any scientist who is worth his salt would know you need to control references (positive and negative controls) otherwise the results are meaningless  slaphead . Show me a reagent test with the neat tartare salt to shut me up.

Now everyone thinks they are a chemist because they watched an episode of breaking bad

(21-05-2016, 12:13 AM)BLACKSTAR Wrote: or just use youtube.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9QQJEOP4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJB_IZZYwWc

but me...I just used ehrlich like the bunk police and got blue on one blot and blue on a tiny little snip approx. one tenth of one blotter

on `other` 125mcg blots I have the test is much more pronounced purple because that`s a proper indole.

I guess you don't have much knowledge of raegents!

Party

You are correct I don't use qualitative, inaccurate and subjective reagent tests. Only NMR, HPLC and m/z will suffice as the minimum for me.

P.S. There are many private research organisations and Universities where you can get one of these analytical test ran for as little as £20-£40
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#15
As mentioned, reagent tests are not conclusive. Getting a positive indole reaction with 1P-LSD from Ehrlich's reagent requires fresh solution and even then the reaction is very slow. All our products are tested via HNMR and LC/MS and we have this data available if requested. Perhaps this Reddit user should send a blotter to Wedinos, they have tested our blotters in the past with positive results.
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#16
(21-05-2016, 04:42 AM)Research Chemical Sales Wrote: And what chemicals do you think make paper is made from? air...., Any scientist worth his salt would know you need to have control reference (positive and negative control)   slaphead . Show me a reagent test with the neat tartare salt to shut me up.

Now everyone thinks they are a chemist because they watched an episode of breaking bad

(21-05-2016, 12:13 AM)BLACKSTAR Wrote: or just use youtube.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9QQJEOP4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJB_IZZYwWc

but me...I just used ehrlich like the bunk police and got blue on one blot and blue on a tiny little snip approx. one tenth of one blotter

on `other` 125mcg blots I have the test is much more pronounced purple because that`s a proper indole.

I guess you don't have much knowledge of raegents!

Party

You are correct I don't use qualitative, inaccurate and subjective reagent tests. Only NMR, HPLC and m/z will suffice as the minimum for me.

P.S. There are many private research organisations and Universities where you can get one of these analytical test ran for as little as £20-£40
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#17
(21-05-2016, 04:42 AM)Research Chemical Sales Wrote: And what chemicals do you think make paper is made from? air...., Any scientist worth his salt know you need to have a control reference  slaphead . Show me a reagent test with the neat tartare salt to shut me up.

Now everyone thinks they are a chemist because they watched an episode of breaking bad

(21-05-2016, 12:13 AM)BLACKSTAR Wrote: or just use youtube.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH9QQJEOP4o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJB_IZZYwWc

but me...I just used ehrlich like the bunk police and got blue on one blot and blue on a tiny little snip approx. one tenth of one blotter

on `other` 125mcg blots I have the test is much more pronounced purple because that`s a proper indole.

I guess you don't have much knowledge of raegents!

Party

You are correct I don't use qualitative, inaccurate and subjective reagent tests. Only NMR, HPLC and m/z will suffice as the minimum for me.

P.S. There are many private research organisations and Universities where you can get one of these analytical test ran for as little as £20-£40

Yes my mate works at Glasgow uni he`s the guy who searches your blood for the rare forms of cancer so it doesn't cost me anything but that's a different subject we are on to now. We weren`t talking about gas/liquid/resonance testing we were talking about raegents and you made a false statement and were corrected so why change the subject? It`s never too late to learn something new! As for breaking bad I do indeed download this for my nephew but have never watched it. Is this where you learn your chemistry knowledge? Apart from yourself, no-one here is claiming to be a chemist/pharmacist? The discussion was about whether or not the chem reacted to reagent testing. It does so you stand corrected.

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(21-05-2016, 08:26 AM)LizardLabs Wrote: As mentioned, reagent tests are not conclusive. Getting a positive indole reaction with 1P-LSD from Ehrlich's reagent requires fresh solution and even then the reaction is very slow. All our products are tested via HNMR and LC/MS and we have this data available if requested. Perhaps this Reddit user should send a blotter to Wedinos, they have tested our blotters in the past with positive results.

Yes it`s not conclusive but it shows clearly if the chem is not what its claimed to be.

If an e shows no reaction its not an e if 1p shows no reaction its not 1p.

If everyone else`s 1p turns blue and the reddit guys doesn't then it`s not 1p. Remember, he didn`t get it directly from you he got it from someone who `claimed` they got it from you. It wouldn't be difficult to scan the images of the blots into a pc then print to some perforated card.

Yes wedinos is the best choice because I`m not convinced his test isn't blue!!!
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#18
You need to have both a positive and negative control otherwise the results are meaningless.

It's like the blind leading the blind with all this miss-information going around. 

If anyone is serious about versing themselves on analytical chemistry I would recommend the following:
FYI for your compound to be published in scientific journal you need at least 4-5 different analytical techniques to backup your claim, I don't think I've seen a spot test since the 19th century

No my chemistry knowledge, was not acquired by a TV show, but by obtaining a Ph.D in chemistry and working for a major pharmaceutical company
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#19
(21-05-2016, 12:41 PM)BLACKSTAR Wrote: Yes it`s not conclusive but it shows clearly if the chem is not what its claimed to be.

If an e shows no reaction its not an e if 1p shows no reaction its not 1p.

If everyone else`s 1p turns blue and the reddit guys doesn't then it`s not 1p.

Or... his reagent isn't fresh.
Or... he's in the middle of a psychotic episode and isn't reliable.
Or... he fucked up the test.

etc. etc.
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#20
(21-05-2016, 12:25 AM)magick Wrote:
(20-05-2016, 11:45 PM)Research Chemical Sales Wrote:
(20-05-2016, 06:20 PM)herpaderpa Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemica...lsd_users/

He's warning against Lizard Labs 1P-LSD he made a regent test and it came out inconclusive.. Might be his own reaction, idk.

This is the problem with people possessing a little bit of knowledge without really under standing the science behind it.....

Do people really think that 100mcg of compound is going to give a noticeable colour change in a reagent test..... come on people use some common sense

Apparently it can if you have the patience to notice. Slow reaction to light purple with the Ehrlich, example here from Reagent Tests UK and corroborated by BunkPolice. Discussion as to why 1P-LSD is slower to react than LSD over at Bluelight.

This is the problem with people possessing a little bit of knowledge...

Edit: on a positive note, you've reminded me that I really ought to have a test kit, that the first of the above outfits is the brainchild of a former UKCR staffer and offers a UKCR discount, too. Long overdue I think, the more so in light of the upcoming ban. So, something good comes out of it. Perhaps you ought to buy one, too!

Who's to say its not just the paper or the writing the ink giving the results.

I'll design you a proper experimentation to clear it up once an for all:

  1. Obtain LL blotter paper with no chemicals added (Negative Control)
  2. Obtain LL blotter paper that has been treated with the carrier solvent (2nd Negative Control)
  3. Obtain 100mcg of 1P-LSD tartrate (Positive Control)
  4. Obtain LL 100mcg 1-LSD blotter (Test Subject)
  5. Treat samples 1-4 with reagent test of choice
  6. Rinse and repeat for a total of at least x3 times but ideally 5 (elimination of statistical errors)
  7. If all experiments tie up then you have a fairly convincing test that very hard to dispute
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